From @UTARLVM1.UTA.EDU:owner-teiteach@UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU Fri Dec 1 18:38:49 1995 Return-Path: <@UTARLVM1.UTA.EDU:owner-teiteach@UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU> Received: from UTARLVM1.UTA.EDU by utafll.uta.edu (4.1/25-eef) id AA26393; Fri, 1 Dec 95 18:38:45 CST Received: from UTARLVM1.UTA.EDU by UTARLVM1.UTA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2262; Fri, 01 Dec 95 16:42:37 CST Received: from UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU (NJE origin MAILER@UICVM) by UTARLVM1.UTA.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0421; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 16:42:37 -0600 Received: from UICVM.UIC.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UICVM) by UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8856; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 16:42:09 -0600 Received: from UICVM.UIC.EDU by UICVM.UIC.EDU (LISTSERV release 1.8b) with NJE id 6673 for TEITEACH@UICVM.UIC.EDU; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 16:42:04 -0600 Received: from UICVM (NJE origin SMTP@UICVM) by UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8631; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 16:40:36 -0600 Received: from mailserv.uni-tuebingen.de by UICVM.UIC.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Fri, 01 Dec 95 16:36:42 CST Received: from textserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de by mailserv.uni-tuebingen.de with SMTP (PP); Fri, 1 Dec 1995 17:37:09 +0100 Received: (from zrlba01@localhost) by textserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA41084; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 17:36:56 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 17:36:56 +0100 Reply-To: TEI Teaching discussion list Sender: TEI Teaching discussion list From: Winfried Bader Subject: Report: TEI-Workshop in Tuebingen (Germany) To: Multiple recipients of list TEITEACH Status: R Dear colleagues, hope, this report is interesting for you. Winfried Workshop-Report =============== Two weeks ago (15-17 Nov), Michael Sperberg-McQueen and I gave a TEI-Workshop at the University of Tuebingen in German language with the titel "SGML-konforme Textauszeichnung nach den Richtlinien der TEI" (something like: SGML-conform markup of texts according to the guidelines of the TEI). Both of us think, that the workshop was succesful. We want to share our experience, giving an overview of our schedule with some comments to this list. Sponsoring organisation: University of Tuebingen - Center for Data Processing Audience: 42 people (comercial publishers and typesetters; philolgists, linguists, historians, theologians (bible), slavists, computerlinguists, archivists, editors of critical editions; some of them with others without any knowledge of textual markup, SGML and TEI) Place: A lecture room in the Computer Center of the University of Tuebingen; for hands-on a PC-Lab with 20 PCs (one floor downstairs form the lecture room) Time: Two and a half day, = 10 sessions (90 min. each) + a hands-on session in the evening. Schedule: the following is the "de facto" schedule. wb and cmsmq indicates the speaker. ====================================================================== Session 1: Wednesday, Nov 15, 16:15-17:30 h: wb Welcome; Introduction; presentation of the participants with the question: "Why do you use electronic texts?" Session 2: Wednesday, Nov 15, 17:45-19:00 h: wb Lecture: Stages in the life of an electronic text: document analysis Homework: document analysis of a simple text ====================================================================== Session 3: Thursday, Nov 16, 9:00-10:30 h: cmsmq Lecture: Introduction to SGML (idea, content model, DTD) cmsmq Demonstration: emacs ASCII-mode (without psgml) building a DTD for the text of the homework; Encode a sample of the document instance of this text; parsing with sgmls Coffeebreak Session 4: Thursday, Nov 16, 11:00-12:30 h: wb Lecture: Introduction in TEI (history and goals) The modularity of the TEI-DTD (Chigaco Pizza Model = Schwaebische Maultaschen Analogie); Overview: the TEI-tags cmsmq Demonstration: tagging the text of the homework with TEI (Author/Editor) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Lunch ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Session 5: Thursday, Nov 16, 14:30-16:00 h: Small groups: document analysis (texts from the audience) Coffeebreak Session 6: Thursday, Nov 16, 16:30-18:00 h: cmsmq Lecture: TEI additional tag set "Linking and Alignment" wb Lecture: TEI additional tag set "Simple Analytic Mechanisms" Optional: Thursday, Nov 16, 18:00-19:30 h: wb&cmsmq hands-on in the PC-Lab with Author/Editor Optional: Thursday, Nov 16, ab 20:00 h: Informal meeting in a restaurant in Tuebingens lovely city ====================================================================== Session 7: Friday, Nov 17, 9:00-10:30 h: wb&cmsmq Demonstrationen: Practical SGML Software-Demonstrations (using the sample text of the Wednesday evening homework): Author/Editor; sgmls; psgml; DynaText; DynaWeb; Panorama; TUSTEP Coffeebreak Session 8: Friday, Nov 17, 11:00-12:30 h: 30 minutes: continuation of session 7. cmsmq Lecture: TEI-Interna (technical details of the TEI-DTDs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Lunch ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Session 9: Friday, Nov 17, 14:00-15:30 h: 30 minutes: continuation of session 8. wb Lecture: "Writing Systems Declarations" Coffeebreak Session 10: Friday, Nov 17, 16:00-17:00 h: wb&cmsmq Conclusion: Why should we use SGML and TEI? How can we continue? Ongoing TEI-/SGML-/textencoding-projects of the participants ====================================================================== End ====================================================================== Notes: The software demonstration was only planned for 90 minutes. But there was great interest and many questions, so we spent half an hour more. For session 9 we had had 4 topics to elect. "Writing Systems Declarations" "Feature Structures" "Critical Apparatus" "Transcription of Primary Sources" which were elected in this order. We had planned to present two of this topics, but with the delay of the software session, we were only able to present one of it. Our decision was - and I think it was the right decision - do the things you do deeply and exactly, do not browse quickly through all topics: quality is better than quantity. Feed back from the audience: + the 30 minutes coffee breaks (it was long enough realy to talk to each other, and one of the advantages of this workshop was, that the audience was very interesting, they were interested in each other, so they were glad to be here - this is an important point which the leader of such a workshop cannot plan). + the mixture between lectures, demonstrations, discussion + going into details (in session 8 we did a lot of details which not all of the participants could understand, but most of them said, it is helpful to get some ideas of what is underneath the surface we see of TEI) + to present the workshop in German language (I think, to do it in English is in Germany no real problem, everybody understand it, but to hear it in your mother tongue, it is easier, and you go deeper into the problems, you have the feeling this are realy your problems. - And for me it was very helpful that Michael forced me to make a translation of every terminus technicus - so I invented the "Schwaebische Maultaschen Analogie" to translate the "Chicago Pizza Model" - and it was succesful: we have a lot of good discussion eating our lunch, beginning with the problems of Swabian food but discussing TEI-matters) + the software demonstrations (I structured it, explaining the several types of software: parser, editor, browser, retrieval, formatter) - not enough software demonstration (but my opinion is, that is important to show the basic possibilities and not to demonstrate software in all details) + the hands-on + two speakers (although the two referents for this workshop have a very different level of knowledge about TEI, Michael allowed me, to treat half of the topics :-) ) - that we have had no time to present all the optional topics in session 9 + the different methods of presentation. We were careful, that in each 90-min-sessions there was * a change of the speaker / leader of the discussion / presenter (each of Michael and me was in each session active) * a lecture * a demonstration * a discussion * change of presentational methods (Michael has his slides on his note book and presented it with PANORAMA and a display; I had real hardcopy slides, always painting on them) + to have *one* example through all the sessions (but we used on our slides and in the demonstrations others examples, too): This was our basic idea - and a little different to that, we learned last year at the meta-workshop: We took one text (Psalm 10 in a German translation - perhaps next time, we find a better example, but everybody has his background, and I was an Old Testament scholar in my first life) and presented this example * for document analysis in session 2 (this was our "homework") * we wrote a simpel DTD with the ASCII-emacs for this text at the end of session 3 and parsed it with psgml * we tagged this text with TEI at the end of session 4 with Author/Editor * we took examples of this text for our slides in session 6 * we presented this text with PANORAMA in the software demo in session 7 and wrote a style sheet for this text * we had a program to analyse a similar text (we should have done it with the same text - but that is life: you do your preparations always in the very last moment) in the software demo and to make a printout So, we presented one text in all its life as a SGML/TEI-document. What should we make better? * I read Lou's idea from the Groningen workshop last week: I was impressed of his ideas for structuring the hands-on session. This session was not well prepared in Tuebingen: we put this session to the end of the day, and I think this was right, because not all people are interested in such a hands-on session. And to change the room, to use software, to have technical problems, would be a great interruption for the teaching and discussion session, so I am glad about it. But we have not prepared real work to do. And Lou's idea with his three types of work to do seems to me very good. * The basic introduction in TEI was two short. After explaining the modularity of the DTDs, 10 minutes about the header, and some comments about chunk level and phrase level elements we jumped to the practical tagging of Psalm 10 and in the afternoon to the additional tag sets. We skipped explaining basic things like: what is a
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or a , what is the difference between and etc. Next time - and our next workshop will be March 11-13 next year - we will start earlier, so we'll have 11 sessions. Than we divide the TEI-introduction into two parts: 1. basics = TEI-core tag set with examples for the most important tags 2. modularity = to explain the Pizza Model, the different tag sets, with examples. Summary: We think - I think - the workshop was good and we can recommend our schedule and the selection of our topics. Any comments? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dr. Winfried Bader Tel.: +49 7071 29 6973 Universitaet Tuebingen FAX.: +49 7071 29 5912 Zentrum fuer Datenverarbeitung Mail: bader@zdv.uni-tuebingen.de Brunnenstrasse 27 D-72074 Tuebingen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~